SGL Carbon SE (OTCPK:SGLFF) Q3 2020 Earnings Convention Name November 12, 2020 8:00 AM ET
Torsten Derr – Chairman and Chief Government Officer
Michael Majerus – Chief Monetary Officer
Convention Name Individuals
Christian Obst – Baader Financial institution AG
Richard Schramm – HSBC Trinkaus & Burkhardt AG
Girls and gents, thanks for standing by. Welcome to the SGL Carbon Investor and Analyst Convention Name. All through right now’s recorded presentation, all contributors shall be in listen-only mode.
The presentation shall be adopted by a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] I might now like to show the convention over to Torsten Derr. Please go forward.
Sure. Thanks very a lot, Emma. Welcome to our right now’s convention name on the outcomes of the primary 9 months. Thanks very a lot for becoming a member of us this afternoon. Right here with me within the room is our present CFO, Mike Majerus, and likewise incoming CFO, Thomas Dippold. Each will assist me within the Q&A session and likewise within the presentation. We are going to hold our ready remarks very quick as we gave a complete replace some 10 days in the past. When you have missed our name 10 days in the past, there is a replay on our Investor Relations webpage and you may take heed to it till the top of this month. However first, I want to hand over to Michael and he’ll information you thru the outcomes of the primary 9 months 2020.
Sure. Thanks, Torsten. And initially, additionally welcome from my aspect to this name. As ordinary, I’ll stroll in additional element to our figures. And let’s begin on web page 3 with our enterprise unit, Composites – Fibers & Supplies, CFM. Total, we will say that the third quarter was a transparent restoration from the very weak second quarter the place as you may keep in mind, we had particularly within the automotive sector, robust results in CFM, with 4 manufacturing website not operating in that second quarter as a result of automotive buyer and the pandemic. In comparison with this, we noticed a transparent restoration and the EBIT turning considerably constructive within the third quarter.
In detailed gross sales income, this in comparison with the 9 months of the earlier 12 months down in 14%. It is a mixture of the supposed decline in Textile Fiber the place final 12 months as you may keep in mind, as a scenario of the market scenario that 12 months, we determined to idle two acrylic fiber strains and determined to transform one other acrylic fiber line to the precursor manufacturing. That was one impact which in fact was deliberate that we’ll have decline right here. The opposite in fact, was not deliberate and that has to do with the corona impact. And that was primarily affecting our market segments, automotive and industrial software.
On the opposite aspect, the gross sales in Wind Power elevated very substantial in comparison with earlier 12 months. As you may keep in mind, one of many issues final 12 months was weak wind enterprise, this 12 months this turned a lot stronger and elevated by greater than 60% in comparison with the earlier 12 months and stronger than initially anticipated. And the Aerospace stays secure. That is as , we’re slightly small and area of interest participant right now within the aerospace enterprise, we’re not but affected from the general surroundings within the aerospace within the present 12 months. However as you keep in mind, our plan goes ahead somewhat bit weaker was the aerospace however for the present 12 months, it was comparatively secure.
So the EBIT elevated considerably, you might see in whole we have now EUR 10.6 million plus within the 9 months. It was minus EUR 1.8 million within the earlier years and 9 months. And there are a number of causes for it. One is as I mentioned the substantial enchancment within the wind power sector primarily volume-driven to some extent, additionally price-driven as a result of we had been capable of improve costs earlier this 12 months. And the others had been our earnings enchancment measures primarily within the textile fiber enterprise in Portugal, I already talked about this and another actions we set out. And this was offsetting automotive enterprise the place, within the earlier we had EUR 4 million decrease earnings contribution from our fairness funding, as , that is our Carbon Ceramic Brakes three way partnership with Brembo, and that was closely affected within the second quarter by the weak automotive scenario.
Accordingly, ROCE turned constructive and with this let’s transfer to the subsequent web page, our different division, Graphite Supplies and Methods; usually, this division is late cyclical nature, it means it takes longer till the disaster turns into obvious but it surely additionally takes longer to get out of the disaster in comparison with CFM. So CFM impact was coming a lot earlier within the second quarter. On the opposite aspect is getting a lot earlier out of it, as you might see within the third quarter. GMS has a distinct scenario, it took longer, and clearly the most important impact was not seen within the second quarter but it surely was now right here within the third quarter that we had elevated impact of COVID-19.
And in whole, this was driving gross sales down 25% year-over-year and EBIT even over proportion by 55% that’s one other specialty of this division is a really fastened prices intense division, which suggests if in case you have a robust quantity development, you’ve an over proportionate revenue improve, the opposite method round if the quantity is weakened you’ve over proportionate revenue decline and that’s what has occurred this 12 months. So, gross sales general went down 22% in comparison with earlier 9 months. And that is in essence a mix of two components roughly half-half; one is the anticipated decrease demand in battery and different power sector attributable to shrinkage within the provide chain, which we already talked about earlier this 12 months. That has nothing to do with corona disaster however the different half roughly, of this weakening is coming from the decrease markets as a result of corona disaster which had been affecting all our market segments with one exception to semiconductor, which was even rising within the 9 years was a low double-digit share.
Now, EBIT already talked about, this lower by 52% from the document stage in prior 12 months. The IFRS 15 impact alone is contributing EUR 10 million. How is that this? In case you keep in mind, that is income recognition requirements associated to buyer particular merchandise, which primarily are related for our graphite electrode materials enterprise, we had document 12 months in 2019, as you may keep in mind, so subsequently, we had robust development in volumes and likewise larger costs within the graphite electrode enterprise. And that is underneath IFRS 15 anticipated income recognitions, we had a constructive IFRS 15 impact this 12 months it was the opposite method spherical, quantity declined closely. So, subsequently, unfavourable IFRS 15 results. And this swing alone is accounting for EUR 10 million of the earnings decline.
And, as talked about, according to the gross sales income of just about all different market segments recorded decrease earnings in comparison with the prior 12 months interval with two exceptions, one is the semiconductor the place as I mentioned we had nonetheless rising income. And the opposite is the automotive and transport, the explanation right here was that we had been investing into manufacturing maintain final 12 months in our manufacturing website in Poland. And we needed to ramp in fact final 12 months, and naturally this 12 months, we had been in a secure manufacturing state. And that was the explanation why regardless of weaker income earnings sensible we might stabilize the sector right here.
To this point GMS, let’s head on web page 5 and take a look at our company. And right here, it is vital to do not forget that that is closely affected by one-time impact. We got here to an settlement with the corporate Showa Denko, as you may keep in mind Showa Denko we acquired in 2007, our former graphite electrode division and a part of that graphite electrode manufacturing extra exactly, the so referred to as nipple manufacturing was situated in Meitingen, in order that they had been producing there and naturally, staff, they’d an enduring rental contract with us as a result of the buildings and the bottom they belong to us, they weren’t offered to Showa Denko and the enterprise and the machines.
Now they determined to go away the positioning and we needed to discover settlement, or they discover an settlement and we had been in fact compensated for this a number of years of rental contract, additionally Showa Denko has some obligations for removing for environmental issues. And all this was settled now with a fee of roughly EUR 23 million in whole, out of this EUR 18 million shall be paid now within the fourth quarter. However the earnings impact of this was already recorded right here within the third quarter as a result of the contract was signed in July. And the earnings impact is EUR 8.5 million. That is in essence the current worth of the long-lasting rental contract, which is affecting each income and EBIT. And that is all the explanation why you possibly can see right here the income is growing to EUR 27 million and the principle – or share sensible 14%. As I mentioned, that is affected by the Showa Denko settlement and the earnings impact accordingly can also be right here efficient.
And as such, the EBIT as reported is now solely minus EUR 13.6 in comparison with the minus EUR 18.5. Nonetheless, when you take this out and do one-time impact from Showa Denko, you will note right here that the function – so referred to as working recurring EBIT is with out onetime positive factors of minus EUR 20.6 million in comparison with the minus EUR 18.5 million. So it is a slight deterioration primarily attributable to the truth that we had some consulting prices associated or restructuring initiatives and the service offered to the patrons of previous efficiency division requested lesser service.
To this point with regard to COVID, now let’s head on the web page 6, take a look at the full teams P& L. Income went down by 18% is a mix of the developments, and primarily talked about was GMS and CFM. The EBIT, in fact, it is also mixture of the consequences talked about hundreds now down 38% to EUR 33.9 million. The online monetary result’s improved considerably from minus EUR 32.6 now to minus EUR 23.4 million. There are a number of causes for this; one is the absence of curiosity bills for the previous convertible bonds, which we paid again early final 12 months. Another excuse is decrease curiosity bills for pension and account right here, and one other vital factor is we had a unfavourable one-time impact within the quantity of EUR 6.3 million from, I already talked about early, we paid productions of the convertible bond within the third quarter of 2019. And the web outcome as you possibly can see right here, of the minus . That is in fact not but together with the impairment costs, which we talked about in our ad-hoc launch within the quantity of EUR 80 million to EUR 100 million as a result of this shall be booked within the fourth quarter as a result of it was a subsequent occasion in comparison with the third quarter.
And one other factor which isn’t but booked right here is in fact the availability for restructuring we mentioned in our ad-hoc, that we’ll have in whole EUR 40 million restructuring prices and considerably greater than half of this shall be accounted for within the fourth quarter. That is, in fact, not but included in these figures.
Now let’s take a look on the Group stability sheet on web page 7, fairness ratio went down 25.6%. There are primarily two causes for that; one is the change in low cost charges resulting in larger pension obligation and correspondingly decrease fairness and the opposite international trade results primarily associated to the change between US greenback and euro additionally negatively affecting our fairness. That is the principle purpose for 25.6% additionally that is in fact not but together with the impairment cost and restructuring provision. With this, we could have on the year-end undoubtedly a determine someplace under 20%.
As I mentioned not but included, liquidity very constructive improvement and that’s I feel crucial factor in present occasions even up additional EUR 166.8 million in comparison with the top of final 12 months determine EUR 137 million. There are a number of causes for that. One is, in fact, the decreased spending general within the group, was in fact discount in working capital, but additionally some funding results already seem right here in. What can also be price to say there are nonetheless extra to come back within the first quarter what this shall be tackled later within the outlook.
Sure, web monetary debt decreased to EUR 262 million, whereas the free money move was EUR 43.7. So why is the lower in web debt lowered than free money move? The reply is within the final line, there may be offsetting impact primarily with lease legal responsibility, reimbursement of lease legal responsibility within the quantity of EUR 13.5 million and the fee for discontinued operations. So the web sum of that is lowering than the web debt place.
Now on the subsequent web page you see the free money move, already talked about very constructive and free money move from continued operation from EUR 43.7 million in comparison with the minus EUR 9.6 million. So purpose for it one is already talked about the working capital impact and improved networking capital administration. The opposite is, nonetheless, additionally that we considerably decreased our capital expenditures you possibly can see it right here, it was solely EUR 33.2 million in 9 months in comparison with greater than EUR 50 million within the 9 months earlier than and that was the principle driver for the development within the free money move and discontinued operation to minus EUR 2 million. It is a tax fee associated to the brand new proprietor of the corporate which belongs to the graphite electrode enterprise which we offered. That was a tax associated to retirement; we had been the proprietor of that enterprise and the final 12 months’s EUR 9.8 million, this was additionally a settlement of previous matter as was a settlement fee to the customer of HITCO Aerostructure enterprise.
Now, on the final web page quantity 9, only a reminder, as I mentioned these figures don’t embody two issues. One is the restructuring provision, as we mentioned in whole EUR 40 million price roughly half, greater than half this shall be recorded within the books within the fourth quarter of 2020 and different non-cash impairment cost within the quantity of EUR 80 million to EUR 100 million primarily as a result of weaker outlook within the automotive and aerospace trade, which earnings sensible can’t be compensated by the higher outlook for the winter power sector.
To this point for my aspect, quarter to 9 months. And with this I hand again to Mr. Torsten Derr.
Sure, thanks very a lot Michael and I’ll repeat various what Michael mentioned as a result of we’re already in November. So I begin on the subsequent slide please, with our reporting segments CFM, our Carbon Fibers, I am going to make it quick; gross sales revenues had been declined by roughly 10%. And as Michael mentioned, there are two causes for that. First automotive which is a pandemic impact, and second is textile fibers, which was pushed by us. I come to this in a while, this was compensated by larger gross sales within the wind power segments, and we run sure strains at capability as a result of the demand is fairly excessive.
Recurring EBIT will return to a barely constructive outcome and here’s a textile fiber once more, we idled two textile fibers strains, and we will change the power provide over to a extra favorable system, which introduced us various financial savings in textile fibers and second is wind power phase, the place we had been capable of improve costs.
Subsequent slide please. That is our second reporting phase, which is GMS or graphite enterprise, there we have now fairly unhealthy enterprise and all gross sales revenues declined by 20% with one exception which was semiconductors, that is Asia centered and nonetheless rising, recurring EBIT shall be decreased by at the very least 50%. That is as a result of excessive quantity of fastened prices within the enterprise.
Coming to company; Michael already mentioned that the key driver for substantial deterioration of working recurring EBIT is the lack of a service enterprise, which be rendered to for our former PP actions, which we divested final 12 months and this might not be repeated this 12 months. Coming to subsequent slide; the Group outlook, all which means units on group stage, our gross sales will decline by 15% to twenty%. And we could have a barely constructive full 12 months working group recurring EBIT. Earlier this 12 months, we began to discover further funding measures and all of them had been profitable. The most important was in compensation settlement was Showa Denko which boosted our EBIT in and likewise gross sales in Q3 2020. We disclosed on October 30 as impairment cost for our CFM enterprise and likewise restructuring provisions on the introduced restructuring and this can result in a unfavourable web outcome steering of minus EUR 130 million to EUR 150 million.
Our CapEx shall be nonetheless on the extent of EUR 16 million and with all this, we’re capable of verify our steering for the 12 months finish 2020 web debt to remain on the forecasted stage, which is a rise of a mid double digit million euro quantity in comparison with 12 months finish 2020. And that is as a result of US$62 million buy worth fee for our property of SGL Composites in US.
We’re capable of hold the steering unchanged as a result of we count on to stability the decrease anticipated working earnings with further funding measures talked about above. And consequently, we proceed to count on a cushty liquidity place as liquidity was robust at EUR 167 million at finish of September. And additional cash is coming primarily in This autumn this 12 months. As well as, we nonetheless have the EUR 175 million undrawn syndicated mortgage facility.
Subsequent slide, please. On October 30, we introduced our restructuring challenge. And on the left-hand aspect, you see our new working mannequin; we already decreased the variety of company capabilities by 50%. From 20% to 10%; we launched clear obligations and rigorous consequence administration. And we are also going to vary our financial incentive system on a money move foundation. On the right-hand aspect, you see our restructuring program, we count on greater than EUR 100 million recurring EBIT enhancements, which we could have legitimate on the finish of 2023. Now we have 500 people’ measures. And this contains greater than 500 headcount reductions.
Subsequent slide, please. So to summarize what we mentioned about operational efficiency after 9 months is in line or possibly even barely higher than we anticipated within the steering by mid of this 12 months, we launched substantial earnings enchancment measures, and we additionally introduced the impairment cost of between EUR 80 million and EUR 100 million. As we can not foresee how lengthy the pandemic will happen, we fully depend on inside self-help measures. We deal with securing monetary headroom and stabilize of operational efficiency. Having completed this, we’re going to cut back our web depth stage and we’ll go for selective investments. And having completed this, we return into the gross.
We are going to present an replace on our technique by finish of Q1. The identical holds true for the steering for 2021. And up to date 5 years plan. This concludes our ready remarks. Emma, I would love you handy again to you and please open the Q&A session.
The primary query comes from the road of Christian Obst with Baader Financial institution.
Sure. Hey. I’ve 4 questions please, smaller ones. Within the report you talked about the 2 tranches for the Showa Denko fee. And the second was due on February 2021. Are you able to give us steering? What do you count on there? Is it a EUR 15.5 million which is the delta between EUR 8.5 million and EUR 23 million or is there a totally totally different calculation? Then on textile, when do you count on a breakeven there on textile fibers alone? You talked about some type of particular earnings money in from divestments. Is there additional plan on the market of actual property on the agenda and can it are available in This autumn or within the subsequent 12 months? And the final yet another on the product aspect, the battery enclosures, are you able to give us some type of an thought of the order dimension at the moment and what do you ship? Within the report you talked about that you’re funding focus or CapEx focus is to extend capability there. What sort of capability is that? Thanks.
Sure. So this Michael Majerus, possibly I begin. Come to your first query. Positive, I feel we have now to distinguish the money aspect and the incomes aspect. In order I mentioned in whole, the money fee shall be EUR 23 million roughly in spherical figures, thereof EUR 18 million shall be paid nonetheless on this first quarter and the remaining EUR 5 million shall be paid in subsequent 12 months that’s the money aspect of the equation. The incomes aspect that’s the EUR 8.5 million and this, so out of those EUR 23 million whole funds that shall be earnings associated part of EUR 8.5 million that is, as I mentioned, the part referring to the rental obligations which had been paid in a single shot. That’s regular earnings. And that will have been additionally earnings common over time it was now anticipated. And this was since a contract was signed in July, it is going to be recorded earnings was already within the figures of the third quarter whereas the money impacts won’t come into pressure within the first quarter of subsequent 12 months.
To this point this level, then was the – what is going to as well as come within the fourth quarter and orders assigned is a sale of a chunk of land and the constructing in Northern Germany, the place we previously had our rotor blade manufacturing which a very long time in the past, we gave up so that’s not utilized by us. Now we have the corporate renting at the moment this constructing they usually purchased it, we already signed the contract by the best way final week, it was a enterprise completed deal. And we count on right here a mid-single digit million euro quantity. And the opposite factor which can also be completed deal and signed, we signed a mortgage mortgage with a financial institution in Germany associated to some buildings and land right here and our German manufacturing that shall be a small double-digit million euro quantity and all this to come back within the fourth quarter. So this Showa Denko fee of EUR 80 million, the sale of the piece of land in Northern Germany and the proceeds of the mortgage mortgage.
And that’s what makes us very comfy with regard to our liquidity place. That’s what we mentioned within the ad-hoc, you possibly can see we have now 167 orders is now approaching prime of this, then in fact the EUR 62 million for the fee to BMW will go down, we’ll have additionally some unfavourable money move within the fourth quarter as a result of CapEx associated as ordinary, it is back-end loaded you might see that we have now gathered solely EUR 60 million in CapEx. Whole 12 months’s steering is EUR 60 million, so we will simply think about that a good portion is to come back. And when you account this collectively, you possibly can simply calculate roughly our money place for the top of the 12 months.
To this point with regard to debt query and was the battery enclosures, I imply, that is primarily funding, we’re making our manufacturing website in Austria for US firm who’s constructing electrical car in startup manufacturing from the shopper is scheduled for mid of subsequent 12 months and already, and we have now to be prepared for this. That is why the gear is in fact, they’re already shipped in. So we want not a brand new constructing however a brand new machine. And the dimensions of that order is within the in accordance with the plans of the shopper and it went upstage someplace within the mid double digit once you determine what it’s a number of years to come back and never in fact in step one. That is roughly and breakeven as a texture fiber, I feel that there is one thing going ahead.
I might hand over to the CEO and never make any predictions which then later my successor has to stay to, so subsequently – sure, and truthful not for me to reply that.
So I’ve a slightly fuzzy reply, we do not take a look at the P&L of our Portuguese property. We’ve not whole eight fiber strains there and we already transformed two of the eight strains to a precursor the fiber line. And the pre fiber line goes or sends fiber to our property in Muir of Ord, and Moses Lake and we mentioned we’re changing precursor materials, which we buy from externally. So each conversion step will increase as the worth chain and we do not take a look at the P&L assertion of the actual asset. The textile fiber enterprise is simply to fill the capability and to dilute fastened prices. So our goal is to transform one line after the opposite to precursor and feed it into our worth chain.
Sure, that is fully appropriate. However possibly trying extra to your monetary, some indication for the present 12 months and never saying one thing going ahead. However the textile fiber enterprise has improved considerably in comparison with the earlier 12 months. Earlier 12 months we needed to be very sincere on this, we had a small double digit million loss now we have now solely a small single million digit loss. So it is nonetheless loss making. However in fact we’re additionally engaged on bettering the scenario however the actual factor is that what Torsten mentioned it is for us an funding which is vital for the precursor manufacturing.
Do you’ve up to now, a plan for the timeline to transform additional strains right into a precursor manufacturing?
Now, this isn’t mendacity 100% in our arms, if we produce composite elements, for instance, the carbon fiber is listed. And this forces us additionally to listing the precursor materials. If we had a enterprise with an alternate fiber, we have now to proceed with an alternate precursor as properly. And we do no matter is feasible to enlarge our worth chain.
The following query comes from the road of Richard Schramm with HSBC.
Sure. Good afternoon, gents. I’ve a query in regards to the wind power enterprise the place you talked about that you’ve been capable of improve costs on such a robust improve of demand. Clearly, this was roughly unavoidable, however how sustainable is that this? Are you able to give me an thought of how lengthy these contracts are operating you’ve on this space? And in case your clients then additionally may put strain once more on the value stage as soon as demand image turns round? So how risky is that this? Are you able to give us a taste for this? Thanks.
Sure, since I am the man who has the longest expertise on this enterprise, possibly I take this one. I imply, this – the wind enterprise is because you solely delivered a fiber a small commodity characters, you can’t a lot differentiate or slightly totally different from our part enterprise. And as , in essence, provide and demand are driving the costs in a commodity enterprise. So I feel what’s vital to recollect is that wind power just isn’t quantity sensible already right now. The second largest market general when you look into all kinds of fibers, together with the low tow fiber and for the heavy to certainly already the most important markets quantity sensible. And there may be robust development. And the explanation for that robust development is a pattern within the wind power sector, which is extra in the direction of offshore intermediates.
And the reason being threefold. One is you wouldn’t have issues with a neighbor to get the admission for this. Secondly, you possibly can construct a a lot larger, these windmills have a diameter of 160 meters much more, which is the magnitude of the cathedral in Cologne won’t ever have the ability to construct such a factor onshore right here, and the third it has extra winds on the ocean. So that’s the three explanation why there’s a pattern in the direction of these offshore windmills. And the great factor is that is totally different from the onshore windmills, which not all of them do comprise carbon fiber. Bodily, it is not potential to construct such windmills out carbon fiber, so all of them want carbon fiber, which is nice for us.
And secondly, they even want extra carbon fiber to get the steadiness within the rotor blade to keep away from it underneath excessive wind strikes the rotor blade is bent in the direction of the highest. In order that’s the explanations behind and totally different from the low tow fiber, which goes to the aerospace the place the value stage is way larger. The heavy tow enterprise has been up to now not a reinvestment case as a result of the automotive enterprise comparatively small and the wind was not very enticing margin sensible. So and as you might see additionally from us, we have now not constructed further capability in that sector up to now as a result of economically, this would not have made sense.
However alternatively, the capability is restricted in that sector. And now with the robust quantity goes the availability demand ratio is bettering in our aspect. And that was additionally the background why we had been capable of improve costs to not magically additionally to place this in perspective and the costs nonetheless usually are not very enticing in comparison with part enterprise, within the automotive sector, even not mentioning the aerospace enterprise, however it’s bettering. And so your query is how this can transfer ahead? I feel up to now, we count on that this pattern will proceed and that the availability demand ratio ought to be helpful. In fact, nobody is aware of what is going on on in China; China for years is claiming to construct up carbon fiber capacities. To this point, they haven’t been very profitable. So that’s possibly one uncertainty within the equation. However up to now, what’s foreseeable for us we see that this pattern will proceed.
However clearly, as you simply indicated, the value stage remains to be not such enticing that you’d take into account increasing this enterprise and make the most of this development you see.
No. What is smart is to fill our strains with this now. We’d not construct new manufacturing websites for this however what we’re doing is to fill our present capability into the websites we do have and that is smart and we even have reactivated our Ord line and our location in Moses Lake. As a result of if in case you have gear already there, so if in case you have solely to take a look at further price to get them up and operating, that is economically nonetheless in fact enticing and higher off not doing this, however it might not be funding case to construct a brand new manufacturing sector.
Presently, there aren’t any additional questions and I hand again to Dr. Torsten Derr for any closing feedback.
Sure, Emma, thanks very a lot. And with this, I want to thanks all for dialing in and to your continued curiosity in SGL Carbon. I look ahead to proceed our dialogue frequently. Have a pleasant remainder of the day. And till subsequent time, goodbye.
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